Posts by Anna Marina

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Nº 001 Subliminal na literatura da Watchtower

by indicetj.com in

olha, se você é uma testemunha de jeová:.

http://figuras.indicetj.com/001-o-caolha-raivoso.html.

Anna Marina

If you look at the pictures of Babylon the Great in the Revelation Grand Climax book, then compare them to Esther in the Imitate their Faith book p 153 you'll see she's got the same moth or butterfly earring and her clothes are the same colour as Babylon the Great (purple and scarlet - although they've pinked up the scarlet).

If you look at the picture of Esther on p 128/9 of that same book, ask yourself, "why is she looking at that wierd statute of two drooping swan necks and watching all those little birds? A couple of them are tits."

Now I'm not going to spell it out, but if you wanted to stick your hand up and give the most innocent sounding shocking answer at a mid-week meeting, this delightful picture might have been drawn just for you.

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Are You Still “Technically “ A Jehovah’s Witness?

by minimus in

jw
friends

if we haven’t associated with the congregation in years, could it be said we are not jws?

or must you be disfellowshipped or disassociated to officially say you really aren’t a witness?.

Anna Marina

I have always been Christian and thought I was joining other genuine Christians. There were many kind-hearted, genuine Christians in the congregation I joined. What we didn't realise was that the wool was being pulled over our eyes.

The term 'Jehovah's Witness' does not fully describe a Christian because the term applies to the decendants of Jacob. But Jesus was a descendante of Jacob, he was Jewish. So, I feel it can be used in a figurative sense to describe a Christian and in that sense I am happy to be described as one. But I know people have to be directed to Jesus Christ, not the Law of Moses.

Although the door of fellowship has been closed on my by 'the club', because the GB is actually apostate to Jehovah Witnesses (it misuses the OT scriptures written by inspired Jehovah's Witnesses - eg Daniel, Ezekiel, Jeremiah), I do not identify the GB or WBTS or any appointed by them as Jehovah's Witnesses.

And I don't care how they choose to describe themselves because you can say the moon is made of cheese, your only problem is you have to prove it. Same with GB, they (and those in association with them) can say they are Jehovah's Witnesses but how on earth could they ever prove it? They can't, because they are lying and those blindly following them are deluded.

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JW`s Claim Their religion is Based Solely on The Bible.

by smiddy3 in

well here are a few words that the watchtower / jw`s religion frequently use that do not appear in the bible , either , old testament or the new testament.. organization , sovereignty , reinstatement , governing body .. and in the christian greek scriptures ,the kingdom interlinear that the jw`s published themselves , a word for word translation of the greek to english does not contain the name / word jehovah ......nowhere ..

Anna Marina

From my research, a common denominator in all WBTS false doctrine (ie that not soundly based on the Bible) is Theosophy/Theo Sufism. Sufism is a kind of Islam. The whirling dervishes are Sufists. They whirl and whirl until they get dizzy. This dizziness acts like an anaesthetic so they feel no pain.

Theo Sufism is also connected to Fabianism and the establishment of the Lucifer Trust (Lucis Trust). Leading Theo Sufist, Alice Ann Bailey set up the Lucis Trust, while another prominent Theo Sufist, Annie Besant was a speaker for the Fabians. Annie was sponsored for membership of the Fabians by George Bernard Shaw.

In addition to all this, 1914 is by used by WBTS to signal a new age. Amongst some who accept the patriachs but reject the Messiah, Jesus Christ, there is a belief that the Messiah is not a person but an age. The 1914 doctrine may reflect this concept of a Messianic Age.

Communism also rests on this idea of new ages as does the postivism of August Comte who perpetuated the search for a science of society through a 3-staged theory of progress which he derived from Saint-Simon (who believed in Utopia). Comte's idea was that mankind moved from a theological to a metaphysical to a positive era. Positivism had authoritarian implications. It relied on intellectual authority. The link between enlightenment and despotism in the 18th century was not accidental. Saint-Simon had consistently appealed to monarchial authority from his first petitions to Napoleon until his last appeal for a New Christianity to the leaders of the Holy Alliance.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Auguste_Comte

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henri_de_Saint-Simon

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holy_Alliance

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alice_Bailey

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Annie_Besant

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JW`s Claim Their religion is Based Solely on The Bible.

by smiddy3 in

well here are a few words that the watchtower / jw`s religion frequently use that do not appear in the bible , either , old testament or the new testament.. organization , sovereignty , reinstatement , governing body .. and in the christian greek scriptures ,the kingdom interlinear that the jw`s published themselves , a word for word translation of the greek to english does not contain the name / word jehovah ......nowhere ..

Anna Marina

But they play tricks with words using semantics. An organisation is something made up of organs. A body is an organisation, so they use concept of the body of Christ to insist on unity.

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It was all GREEK to me

by Terry in

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friends

around 1976 i got the wild idea i'd like to learn greek (for my study of the christian greek scriptures and to 'get to the bottom' of whether i was wasting my time being even a token jehovah's witness.

) i would read the actual text and avoid my denomination's opinion commentaries, you see.. .

i learned the characters in the greek alphabet rather quickly and started reading an interlinear (english/greek) bible aloud - practicing my enunciation.

Anna Marina

Hi Terry - I studied 1991 and baptised 1992 - I did really careful research using both the Bible and the Live Forever Book. I challenged the teachings where I had to. Elders sometimes sat in on my study.

The sister who took my study was surprised how much I knew about the Bible and would sometimes change her mind on WBTS teachings and say: "When you first said that, I didn't think you were right, now I've thought about it, I agree with you."

When elders showed up, I loved it and we went into great depth on many things. Little did I realise even then, that I was constantly catching them out. But I wasn't doing that, I was just talking and asking questions. However, it was when the elders turned up that I'd get told, "if the Society has anything wrong, they will change it. Unlike the churches we are not dogmatic." And I believed what they said. Why wouldn't I? They were kind and appeared genuine.

Fast forward to 2005/6 and I found out they had been lying. As you say:

What JW's had all along was double-talk, false reasoning, and a manufactured piety and skill.

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2019-New Files Just Arrived!

by Atlantis in

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friends

2019 application for prison minister.

https://docdro.id/dxusjmu.

2019 brd visitor center newsletter.

Anna Marina

Petra, my hair used to be down to my waist, so not as long as yours.

Like your mum, I got told to cut it off. Eventually I did and its now down to my shoulders. But before I got disfellowshipped (for sticking to what the Bible really said) and when it was still long, I would sit towards the front of the hall. Sometimes, when I looked up, I would shake my head and flick my hair back. I didn't realise I'd sometimes catch the face of the person sitting in the row behind with my hair when I flicked it.

I guess if it had been you, you'd have managed to get them two rows behind. That would have been spectacular.

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2019-New Files Just Arrived!

by Atlantis in

jw
friends

2019 application for prison minister.

https://docdro.id/dxusjmu.

2019 brd visitor center newsletter.

Anna Marina

Hi Petra - your hair is very beautiful and thanks for sharing the conditioning tips.

Afterburn - I am still laughing at your comment:

Afterburn 2 days ago

... publishers should refrain from posting messages to guest books or online obituaries unless they personally know the deceased or the family of the deceased.
Translation: We are fully aware that this cult has trained you to be calloused, insensitive, socially maladjusted, and opportunistic, and you are all doing very well, however, this one even squicked us a little bit, so ... just ... just, no.

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2019 International Convention in Atlanta, Georgia, USA

by RULES & REGULATIONS in

i watched this convention video and do not recognize this religion any longer.

there are attendants singing and dancing in grass fields.

later, you see sisters holding up this silly sign that makes me laugh.

Anna Marina

Well you can relax and enjoy your freedom. Be glad you got out before you saw them in paradise. Or should that read, before you meet your maker?

I suppose that wouldn't be such an encouraging sign: "the time to meet your maker is just around the corner."

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It was all GREEK to me

by Terry in

jw
friends

around 1976 i got the wild idea i'd like to learn greek (for my study of the christian greek scriptures and to 'get to the bottom' of whether i was wasting my time being even a token jehovah's witness.

) i would read the actual text and avoid my denomination's opinion commentaries, you see.. .

i learned the characters in the greek alphabet rather quickly and started reading an interlinear (english/greek) bible aloud - practicing my enunciation.

Anna Marina

Hi Terry - you have taught me a new word, MacGuffin.

I am familiar with the WT history and this word in particular, I have not met many witnesses that can explain it and few can explain it as clearly as you have. So thank you. This concept that they've messed with is what caused me to realise something was BADLY wrong.

When I had to do a stand-in talk on the subject, the Theocratic Min School instructor couldn't understand the word and he couldn't understand why my conscience wouldn't allow me to give the talk. Over the years I have tried to explain to various ones why their use of parousia is a MacGuffin :) but I get called a scholar. And that is meant as great insult, not a compliment.

On the otherhand if I am explaining the MacGuffin to an elder who actually does know a bit of Greek, they go nuts at me or try desperately to change the subject. So my point is, I never found them keen to mention Greek words, especially in my presence/parousia.

So I carried on learning Greek and carried on learning Hebrew and I found the Greek Interlinear very useful.

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Miscellaneous highlights from 10/2019 WT

by neat blue dog in

okay sorry, just a few more things that grabbed me in this issue:.

the magazine starts with an article dedicated to the 100th anniversary of that all important year on which the gb's authority hangs, 1919. the article ends with several rapid fire assertions:.

by the end of 1919, jehovah’s people.

Anna Marina

Or H G Wells who wrote God the Invisible King, which appears to be a very WBTS take on the Kingdom of God. Maybe H G Wells helped Rutherford write books.

Belief in God as the Invisible King brings with it almost necessarily a conception of this coming kingdom of God on earth. Each believer as he grasps this natural and immediate consequence of the faith that has come into his life will form at the same time a Utopian conception of this world changed in the direction of God’s purpose. The vision will follow the realisation of God’s true nature and purpose as a necessary second step. And he will begin to develop the latent citizen of this world-state in himself. He will fall in with the idea of the world-wide sanities of this new order being drawn over the warring outlines of the present, and of men falling out of relationship with the old order and into relationship with the new. Many men and women are already working to-day at tasks that belong essentially to God’s kingdom, tasks that would be of the same essential nature if the world were now a theocracy; for example, they are doing or sustaining scientific research oreducation or creative art; they are making roads to bring men together, they are doctors working for the world’s health, they are building homes, they are constructing machinery to save and increase the powers of men. . . .

Such men and women need only to change their orientation as men will change about at a work-table when the light that was coming in a little while ago from the southern windows, begins presently to comein chiefly from the west, to become open and confessed servants of God. This work that they were doing for ambition, or the love of men or the love of knowledge or what seemed the inherent impulse to the work itself, or for money or honour or country or king, they will realise they are doing for God and by the power of God. Self transformation into a citizen of God’s kingdom and a new realisation of all earthly politics as no more than the struggle to define and achieve the kingdom of God in the earth, follow on, without any need for a fresh spiritual impulse, from the moment when God and the believer meet and clasp one another. This transfiguration of the world into a theocracy may seem a merely fantastic idea to anyone who comes to it freshly without such general theological preparation as the preceding pages have made. But to anyone who has been at the pains to clear his mind even a little from the obsession of existing but transitory things, it ceases to be a mere suggestion and becomes more and more manifestly the real future of mankind.

H G Wells was not a Christian he was a Fabian. The coat of arms of the Fabians used to be a wolf in sheep's clothing. It was surprising to me to see how often H G Wells is quoted in WBTS literature.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fabian_Society